Don't forget the pigeons; hottest pigeon shots I have ever seen (it was very sunny).Very hot stuff
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I want to know what those pigeons are going to do with a handbag!
- Oct 16, 2017
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Sophia ist zwar die Protagonistin des Spiels, aber meiner Meinung nach, ist patricia die heisseste der beiden schwestern im gesamten game
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Although Sophia is the protagonist of the game, in my opinion, Patricia is the hottest of the two sisters in the entire game
- Oct 16, 2017
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es gibt im spiel eine stelle, wo sophia nicht ins bad von sich und ihrem ehemann kann, weil es verschlossen ist, sie daraufhin in das bad von daylan und ellie muss, anschließend sieht man vom standpunkt her, das ellie aus der richtung des bades der eltern hätte kommen können. es wäre echt mal interessant zu erfahren, (a) warum ellie so stand, und (b) warum die tür verschlossen war
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there is a point in the game where sophia can't go into her and her husband's bathroom because it's locked, she then has to go into daylan's and ellie's bathroom, then you can see from the point of view that ellie from the direction of the bathroom the parents could have come. it would be really interesting to know (a) why ellie was standing like that, and (b) why the door was locked
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there is a point in the game where sophia can't go into her and her husband's bathroom because it's locked, she then has to go into daylan's and ellie's bathroom, then you can see from the point of view that ellie from the direction of the bathroom the parents could have come. it would be really interesting to know (a) why ellie was standing like that, and (b) why the door was locked
- Feb 14, 2018
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I don’t know why I bothering but…
Fact: the game is gorgeous: L&P is a top-tier imager creator
Fact: Sophia is a goddess, and Ellie … just wow what a sexy little trollop-in-training
Fact: it’s a good enough story with good enough writing that they aren’t really significant stumbling blocks
Opinion: There are way too many stories in the game for this developer manage, and he’s telling completely different stories within the same framework.
Fact: if he storyboarded each scene/event, then wrote the script, then started scene creation, and only created shots that were in the script, development would be substantially faster.
Even if my recommended cuts seem draconian, You are still left with shit-ton of story for a first-time visual novel and more than enough to keep most people happy.
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Dylan should have one of Sophia or Emma or boarding school route (the last two taking Dylan out of Sophia’s pursuits).
Ellie should be able to be with Sophia and Julia or just Julia, or have a Logan/Sam storyline (like Dylan, the last two take Ellie out of Sophia’s pursuits).
Aiden blackmail plot stays in place as-is, but Bennett never happens. Vicky’s time in gym is replaced by Patricia and/or Ellie, and museum boys stay pretty much as-is, cuz it is essentially Patricia time.
Marie and Claire are opportunity for flirting and world-building: yoga and hair salon characters, maybe also gym and spa characters.
Drop both side-jobs.
This leaves Sophia able to have any of Ellie, Patricia, Alyssa (+\- Zac?), Sam, Dylan, Nathalie, Liam, even Aiden and his gang(?!!).
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Ultimately, the two biggest mistakes L&P made we’re strategic, not tactical or technical:
Branching mutually exclusive storylines happens way too early in the game to make any sense whatsoever. This is compounded by compacting the story into contiguous events happening throughout a single day, in a contiguous string of days.
Now that days take more than a year to be realized it makes a lot more sense to reorganize things around singular events spread out over multiple days. At least then we would get the sense that the game is moving forward.
Fact: the game is gorgeous: L&P is a top-tier imager creator
Fact: Sophia is a goddess, and Ellie … just wow what a sexy little trollop-in-training
Fact: it’s a good enough story with good enough writing that they aren’t really significant stumbling blocks
Opinion: There are way too many stories in the game for this developer manage, and he’s telling completely different stories within the same framework.
Fact: if he storyboarded each scene/event, then wrote the script, then started scene creation, and only created shots that were in the script, development would be substantially faster.
Even if my recommended cuts seem draconian, You are still left with shit-ton of story for a first-time visual novel and more than enough to keep most people happy.
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Dylan should have one of Sophia or Emma or boarding school route (the last two taking Dylan out of Sophia’s pursuits).
Ellie should be able to be with Sophia and Julia or just Julia, or have a Logan/Sam storyline (like Dylan, the last two take Ellie out of Sophia’s pursuits).
Aiden blackmail plot stays in place as-is, but Bennett never happens. Vicky’s time in gym is replaced by Patricia and/or Ellie, and museum boys stay pretty much as-is, cuz it is essentially Patricia time.
Marie and Claire are opportunity for flirting and world-building: yoga and hair salon characters, maybe also gym and spa characters.
Drop both side-jobs.
This leaves Sophia able to have any of Ellie, Patricia, Alyssa (+\- Zac?), Sam, Dylan, Nathalie, Liam, even Aiden and his gang(?!!).
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Ultimately, the two biggest mistakes L&P made we’re strategic, not tactical or technical:
Branching mutually exclusive storylines happens way too early in the game to make any sense whatsoever. This is compounded by compacting the story into contiguous events happening throughout a single day, in a contiguous string of days.
Now that days take more than a year to be realized it makes a lot more sense to reorganize things around singular events spread out over multiple days. At least then we would get the sense that the game is moving forward.
I agree with most of this, actually. However, his obvious lack of planning (despite claims to the contrary) are what caused it. Many releases have very little to do with anything at all, others introducing new plots that will/can never be touched again. Etc. That's all still on him and, IMO, is part of his overall strategy to bleed this as long as possible.
However, if he did as you said he could fix it! As a mostly one-man operation, it could still be saved if he did what you said (or things in the same spirit of trimming it down).
Exactly this. All of it.
Can't understand how people still eat up his "top art takes time" excuses and then some random dudes (no offense) from fan art output like 95% of the his quality in no time.
"I can't find anyone like me" he says when if you go to slushe you'll see a ton of artists outputting better quality. They're just not doing renpy VNs.Regarding money, patron etc, let's not forget that there are dudes in the rpgmvp scene doing like 4 or 5 games at the same time pretending to be different developers
There's obviously a pace in the first half and a different pace in the second half. For god sake, Sophia was getting manhandled in a nightclub in the first few updates, then suddendly nothing much advances (only little by little, character by character) and it all has to do with milking AWAM. Unlike DPC, L&P is afraid to wrap this up and move on to anotther story/characters so he'll grind this story as much as he can.
First the MC will expose her tits to dylan, then to sam, then to X, then to Y, then to Z.
Next she'll let dylan touch them, then sam, then X, then Y then Z.
Next she's going to do something else, and she'll have to do it again with all of them. It's a never ending cycle of grinding.
Did patrons vote that they like the Dylan/Sam storyline more? Ok, let's move one with the other stories first and make those wait even more.
There's no planning, there's no writing beforehand. He goes and renders with a vague idea of what the dialogue is going to be. Renders scenes then starts writing and then he translates a page per day. He is not interested in developing faster at all, because developing faster means less money in the long run, simple as that.
Friendly reminder he comes here whenever someones critics his art but then hides as soon as people start asking about development stuff.
By the time this VN is supposed to be finished (in 30+ years), you can probably just put some shit on your brain and go fuck Sophia yourself in some weird metaverse-like scene.
The event gradually became clear. I guess these two pictures are a scene, which seems to explain something.
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- May 2, 2021
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People getting upset because other people support a project seems strange to me. And it's not just you. Many on this site do it. I think we all spend money on things others would find foolish. I for one am glad people continue to support this.
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The first picture is from eastdot. , it's just fan art, but it's.. amusing some people confuse it with game picture, to say the least.
- Sep 28, 2018
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Thinking making good art doesn't take time is ignorant. If LP makes 900 renders for an update, and it takes an average of 5 minutes per render (which is super-speed and totally unrealistic) that adds up to 75 hours of work.Exactly this. All of it.
Can't understand how people still eat up his "top art takes time" excuses and then some random dudes (no offense) from fan art output like 95% of the his quality in no time.
Regarding money, patron etc, let's not forget that there are dudes in the rpgmvp scene doing like 4 or 5 games at the same time pretending to be different developers
For a more plausible 20 minutes per render that's 300 hours of work. That doesn't even take into account writing, coding and finding assets or troubleshooting issues as they happen. Or doing certain things manually, like expressions or poses. Making these games takes a ton of time, literally hundreds of hours per update in some cases. I'm not counting the actual rendering, as I assume and hope that is done overnight via a render que so it's passive work.
The issue LP has, and always has had, is the game is simply to complex. As someone said above, this game has branches of branches. So, while in reality 900 renders per update is plenty, they get spread out too much. He could easily do an entire day of content in 900 renders. But instead they're all in 1/4th of a day or less in some cases.
Which leads to the other issue. Too many filler renders. And too much perfectionism. So my 20 minutes per render, in reality for LP, is probably more like 30+ minutes per render while he meticulously adds more pigeons to the scene or something.
He has the exact same problem many developers of "beautiful" games have. He's an artist, not a game developer. Stoper, Come Inside (already got abandoned tags), Ocean's games (that I love) and most other "beautiful" games will never be completed. I said it in another thread already, but it seems like being an artist foremost is not compatible with developing games to completion.
- Sep 27, 2019
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- Oct 20, 2019
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To be fair, the only game here that I play which is clearly better in terms of renders than AWAM is JOHN,
Look at these renders in the water at night:
If you are an observer and you have a big screen, you can clearly see some big differences in terms of quality between these renders.
1. The hair.
2. Three-dimensionality
I tried to use two similar shots to select the renders, but to not be accused of using an old AWAM render, I will post a render from the last update:
Look at these renders in the water at night:
If you are an observer and you have a big screen, you can clearly see some big differences in terms of quality between these renders.
1. The hair.
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2. Three-dimensionality
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I tried to use two similar shots to select the renders, but to not be accused of using an old AWAM render, I will post a render from the last update:
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I agree in part with that sentiment. But L&P has an average of 4-6 renders a day and it has been coming down as time moves on.
His art quality however is at the diminishing returns, the more time he spends on it wont translate into visually better art anymore.
Environment creation doesn't take more than 2 days, specially for L&P who barely touches default assets at all (take his last post in here for example, where he didn't even notice the default opacity in the morello table was too low) so that leaves him 2 days to adjust what? lights? (which, for someone who has his experience, 2 days should be more than enough).
Then you have posing and cameras. There's no way it takes 30 min per render to do posing once environments are done.
As for actual rendering, we all know that happens on downtimes and during the nights. It's basically a batch, as everyone does it. So I can't agree with the sentiment that doing 5 renders per day is a lot.
"He's an artist, not a game developer."
Yeah he most likely gets lost in new ways of doing stuff and probably challenges himself to do something different but at the same time he knows he's headed for a 40 year game development and does nothing to change it. In fact, he just makes it worse..
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- Jun 22, 2017
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Sounds great, but that old guy in your render looks like a zombie. Hmmm... new game idea... the dead have risen and they're having sex with our wives! Anyhow... the old man after the MILF is a trope I don't mind at all, in fact, I experienced something similar several times in real life, the situation being the old guy had something she needed (money, drugs etc) but wanted something in return, so she gave it to him... on a regular basis, true story. Anyhow... try and make the old guy look a LITTLE better than the undead. LOL
Edit: Something closer to this (a render I created a while back)... View attachment 1622102
100% agree, my signs confirm it
As far as I know L&P has stated last year in january that he would natively render at 1080p instead of 720p (which is when he basically negated the 3090 upgrade) so this upscaler talk is new to me.
I know he talked about upscaling in his last post but again, he renders at 1080p.
- May 10, 2017
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is moving!!!. holy shit 90% is coming out or we need to wait for the special Thing?