VN Ren'Py Being a DIK [v0.11.1] [DrPinkCake]

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ename144

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Skeltom said:
Yeah, I didn't care for that part either. It's not like it was some huge decision that completely changes the course of the game. Unless I'm mistaken though, that's not her cut off point. She makes a comment about it in her inner monologue after the MC says he wants to see her, "Then why haven't you shown it?". The cut of point seems to happen after that with your choice to fight for Jill. Or way before if you don't kiss her or take it further. I could be remembering wrong though.
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You're both right and wrong. Jill will cut you off if you tend to Sage instead of going with her on a picnic (you monster!), but she'll also cut you off if you don't fight for her after tennis. Or if you didn't make our with her at Bella's. Or if you have DIK Affinity at any of the major checkpoints. With Jill, nearly everything is a cutoff point.

But at least the other ones make a certain level of sense. Jill losing all interest in the MC just because she picked a time for her surprise picnic when he was busy really is a bridge too far in my book.
 
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ename144 said:
You're both right and wrong. Jill will cut you off if you tend to Sage instead of going with her on a picnic (you monster!), but she'll also cut you off if you don't fight for her after tennis. Or if you didn't make our with her at Bella's. Or if you have DIK Affinity at any of the major checkpoints. With Jill, nearly everything is a cutoff point.

But at least the other ones make a certain level of sense. Jill losing all interest in the MC just because she picked a time for her surprise picnic when he was busy really is a bridge too far in my book.
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Honestly, I would say that any one missed "perfect boyfriend" check is taking it too far. I feel like it should be a cumulation of miss-steps. Like, I'm a chik, had great chemistry during the first date, went on your surprise date, and helped you with your recital. But I didn't climb your mansion in the middle of the night and now I'm not the guy for you? Kinda dumb in my opinion.
 
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rj677 said:
So, I return to the thread and to f95 for the first time in 5 months and I see that the talk of the thread is Maya and DPCs writting, so its nice to see that the thread didnt change in my absence ;):love:.

And then I come across this post. A post defending Maya against people who "dont like her" (which is admirable and very well written might I had (y)), while essentially doing the exact same thing to Sage :unsure:, who funnily enough seems to be the only character who is actually trying to help Maya :unsure:....

So, as a guy who mains Sage and doesnt like Maya, I see myself in the position to reply and to express my opinions.

First of all, I dont "HATE" Maya. I think that everyone has a type and Maya fulfills a type that players might want/like. However DPCs wrtting of the story, and incidentally Maya, made me dislike Maya as a character.

Maya fans usually have this delusion that everyone who "hates"/"dislikes" Maya do so because Maya rejected the MC in episode 4 or because Maya "cheated" with Josy or even because she lies to the MC. When in fact, the answer is WAY more simple than that: The initial problem, at least for me, was/is how the whole Maya story is being brought up to us the players, mainly the DIK players. The DIK MC behaves as a CHICK the whole episode 4 and then he is rejected purely because he is a DIK, no matter what choices you do before episode 4. But again, this wasnt enough for me to dislike her completely.

The nail in the coffin for me comes in the next episodes where Maya is constantly used as a Deus Ex Machina (ending of episode 6, when the MC literally drops everything, becomes superman and flies to Maya immediately in all possible paths. Or when my MC has to be Clark Kent and face Mayas father), where shes used as a way to start the DPC drama special, making me wonder sometimes who is the MC of this story? Maya or FuckFace? (To give props to DPC, this has become better in last 2 episodes because of the implementation of the hangouts mechanic, where I can actively choose who I want to see on my screen.)

Concluding, the problem isnt Maya, its the way that ALL THE MCs are always "story forced" right in the middle of MAYAs drama in exactly the same fashion (being in a relationship with her or not) to the point that I get chills on my spine everytime she appears on the screen :WutFace:

As to what you said about Sage, it clearly shows that you never really played her path or if you did you didnt pay close attention. Everyone in the lust triangle between MC, Sage and Chad is a cheater in almost the same amount of measure (altough for different reasons). But saying that Sage is "not a good person at all while jealous and angry. Pretty damn bad actually." and completely missing what Chads affair did to her mentally AND assuming that she fucks the MC just "out of spite"? Its your opinion and thank you for sharing it (y). Even though, I would say that you should play her path to understand some of the deeper meanings behind Sages actions ;)

PS: Jesus, I have written a whole essay :KEK::KEK:. I guess I missed writing here more than I thought :devilish::sneaky:
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I find it unfair that you think claim ive not played the Sage path. I did say I found Sages personality bad early on and then acknowledge that she gets better. That all of them are written well, she makes sense, but she definitely doesnt start out good, at all. Hence the opposite of good, ie a bad person, and again for emphasis, early on. Anyways, shes in the middle of the pack for me now. Josy is worse, and Jills valium life is far worse. Its not even close.

Sage has depth and a life compared to Josy. Sage got a plan and a future shes focused on since shes close to graduating. It just wasnt germane to the topic at the time. Ive talked elsewhere on why I like Maya, shes more of a friend to Fuckface, shes probably the one thats the least romantically interested in Fuckface. Shes just as happy to be platonic and have Josy as she is sharing Josy with Fuckface since Josy wants Fuckface. And thats the main reason shes so compelling to me. Shes a real friend to MC in a way that Sage, well, wasn't. If that makes sense? They share so much early on. Way too much time together in the early parts really. To me nothing in the story is forced about Maya, shes a friend Fuckface should want to help, like any sane person would help Sage over going to a picnic to play into Jills fairy tale delusions about destiny.

Isabella is the most interesting LI though to me. The mystery of that woman is haunting me, same as Quinns motivations. Top three girls right there. Bella, Maya and Quinn. Each for different reasons.
 
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Skeltom

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ename144 said:
You're both right and wrong. Jill will cut you off if you tend to Sage instead of going with her on a picnic (you monster!), but she'll also cut you off if you don't fight for her after tennis. Or if you didn't make our with her at Bella's. Or if you have DIK Affinity at any of the major checkpoints. With Jill, nearly everything is a cutoff point.

But at least the other ones make a certain level of sense. Jill losing all interest in the MC just because she picked a time for her surprise picnic when he was busy really is a bridge too far in my book.
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Huh, that's weird. Looking at the code there is just a variable for ep6_choseJillOverSage = True but nothing that sets the pathJill to false. I'm playing through again anyway so I will find out either way.
 
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dalli_x said:
You know what else you can see in the picture? Jonah likes to drink strawberry daiquiri's. :sneaky:

Who else likes to drink strawberry daiquiri's? Josy. :unsure:

This makes me wonder who owned the backpack in Zoey's room? Is there a connection between Josy and Emma after all? Also, did Josy perhaps secretly look in Zoey's notebook and discover the MC's picture? :unsure:

Did the MC maybe have another girlfriend between Zoey and the beginning of college? Could that be Emily?:unsure:
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Skeltom said:
Huh, that's weird. Looking at the code there is just a variable for ep6_choseJillOverSage = True but nothing that sets the pathJill to false. I'm playing through again anyway so I will find out either way.
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It actually sets off a chain of reactions. Not going to picnic = not invited to dinner with friends = can't choose Jill at crossroads. I would even go as far as saying that you are led on to believe that you still are on her path (you can still "fight for her" and do the full recital support) but nope.
 
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fool1200 said:
It actually sets off a chain of reactions. Not going to picnic = not invited to dinner with friends = can't choose Jill at crossroads. I would even go as far as saying that you are led on to believe that you still are on her path (you can still "fight for her" and do the full recital support) but nope.
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Geez, that's a pretty drastic setup made by DPC. Miss one date and lose that LI forever. That's a pretty poor design if you ask me. I don't think any other path suffers that much from just one missed scene.
 
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RE: Maya/Her father and her "loan situation"

Im going to preface this by saying everything in this story is true. I swear it. But if you think Maya's situation is complicated, Im about to blow your minds

When I was in college, I worked in the financial aid department during summers. While I was sorting files and stuff, I came across a financial aide request/request for assistance that....might be unique? I don't remember his name but he was in the process of legally emancipating himself. Which is tough when according to the US Government, he didnt actually exist. He lived on a commune/cult and was born there. He had never been to the doctor. He had never been to the dentist and naturally, he was homeschooled. There was no record of this individual's birth so applying for a student loan was tricky. He had no social security number, no forms of ID....like I said, he effectively did not exist. I'm not even sure he had authored the letter. He had somehow come into contact with a small group of adults who, like him, had left the cult and they were trying to help him become independent and apply for school.

This probably won't surprise you, but his parents were not interesting in co-signing any loans or turning over any financial information. Not that it would have helped because according to the adults who were vouching for him, because on paper his parents were quite well off. In reality, he had, like them, grown up in large one room "homes" with his many siblings and any money that was somehow earned (because apparently the adults paid taxes and earned money.....somehow) were turned over to the cult leaders. Think Amish with a sprinkling of Jim Jones.

His financial aide request was denied. I wonder what happened to him. So yeah, I can believe a situation like Maya's could exist
 
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DarkKiller said:
I actually think they all love MC and don't believe it's really fair to rank them.

Both Josy and Maya are always happy when MC's around and although Maya obviously has other concerns, she's very much into him although she thought she couldn't even like men, and it's not like MC's the first man she has had around, so only love could really make her accept a three way relationship.
Josy in contrast has had pretty much no adversities so far, and she also accepted that she liked MC even before Maya was in the know, so for her it's just really easy to be all lovey-dovey with him now that her only concern is pretty much just hiding from Maya's dad.

Sage is more conflicted about her feelings for him but you can see by her reaction at the end of EP8 that she has completely let her guard down and has fallen for him badly.

Jill, c'mon, there's no way it's just sexual tension, she has done so much for him and he for her, she's fallen hard and that's even more evident by her reaction if you choose Bella after pursuing her.

Then comes Bella, obviously the most complicated case, but she herself has questioned why their attraction can't just be carnal, after nearly having several breakdowns, by EP7 she clearly starts accepting her feelings and that's even more apparent in EP8, when although their first date went horribly wrong, she still decides to pursue MC and agrees to try and face the bumpy road they have ahead. This isn't something that someone does just out of lust.

Now, love is different for everybody and it's true that can be stronger for some and weaker for others. But even then, all the LIs emotional baggage, circumstances and levels of maturity are so different from one another that I don't think it's fair to compare them.
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they are LIs so they love him by definition....

but not all relationships move at the same speed, so there are some that are more formed than others

Jill and Josy would love to officially be MC's girlfriend, Josy even since she got to BR if Mc had a room to himself....
It took Bella two seasons to decide to really go for it, it took Sage almost the same amount of time to be convinced to see how it goes
Maya is in the middle, not "free" enough to be ready, but she's never backed down
 
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i need some help guys my game keeps crashing i cant get pass the is screen no eorror and yes i am using the mutimod any one have any advise and i cant really not use the mod all my saves have it as i have tried to do it without the mod from a earler save no go any help would be lovely thanks for your time
 
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ename144 said:
Jill would be up there with Maya and Sage if not for her inane behavior leading up to her second date. If Jill is so superstitious that the MC tending to a sick friend is enough to permanently seal her branch, her feelings couldn't have been that strong to begin with. YMMV.
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dalli_x said:
Jill is a thing of her own. My guess is so Jill wants a Mariotte who will do whatever Jill or her family wants. Jill is not really fighting for the MC either. Somehow she said something different to the MC in EP4.
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I cant believe how myopic you guys are about Jill .
Of all the LIs Jill was the only one who is selflessly ( in her own naive and stupid way ) tried to help MC without expecting anything in return
1. Maya wanted help for free tuition & josy too
2. Josy at first wanted to get out of her burned out relationshit with maya
3. Sage wanted help to but her cheating boyfriend and her malfunctioning gaydar ( still my fabvourite BTW)
4. Bella wanted to pimp the guy she likes for Jill and cock block the tyballs

and as for the birth-day date that was supposed to be her way of ending things with MC with a nice gesture and by declining the date , MC misses his chance to talk her out her stupidity , anyone being sick has nothing to do with that

Jill in some ways may be the stupidest most naive LI , but she is the one who loves the MC the most
 
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solarBear said:
I cant believe how myopic you guys are about Jill .
Of all the LIs Jill was the only one who is selflessly ( in her own naive and stupid way ) tried to help MC without expecting anything in return
1. Maya wanted help for free tuition & josy too
2. Josy at first wanted to get out of her burned out relationshit with maya
3. Sage wanted help to but her cheating boyfriend and her malfunctioning gaydar ( still my fabvourite BTW)
4. Bella wanted to pimp the guy she likes for Jill and cock block the tyballs

and as for the birth-day date that was supposed to be her way of ending things with MC with a nice gesture and by declining the date , MC misses his chance to talk her out her stupidity , anyone being sick has nothing to do with that

Jill in some ways may be the stupidest most naive LI , but she is the one who loves the MC the most
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That's right. The MC is taking care of a sick friend and Jill doesn't even have the decency to ask why the MC couldn't come on her date. The poor MC is also having a hard time. He's not allowed to think for himself and has to ask how high he should jump when Jill asks him to.

Jill is a beast, and the MC will realize that as time goes on. With her help, Jill simply casts the net to catch the fish MC. :rolleyes:
 
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